Intimacy with the Holy Spirit is not just something we talk about in theological circles. It is something that every believer practices. It is actually a very serious matter because according to the Greek, it could become a salvation issue. The early church believed the presence of God was everything and without it, we have and are nothing. Continue reading…
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Like many Pentecostals, I woke up to the news this morning that Dr. Mark Walker, pastor of Mount Paran Church of God in Atlanta was joining the staff of Lee University to head up ministerial training. What does this mean and how could change things for future Pentecostal preachers? Continue reading…
I came across an article published in Jesus Name News about Kim Davis that basically that she was given Pentecostals a bad name by her actions. I want to consider a few things and correct some major errors in the article in question. Continue reading…
I have been part of this thing that critic call the prophetic movement. It is a group of people who believe that God speaks today and through us. You can call it the Kansas City Prophets or people from Morningstar Ministries. In the end, we just want to hear God for people and respond. Continue reading…
A.A. Allen was a healing evangelist in the Voice of Healing revival in the 1950’s. He saw the miracle ministry of Oral Roberts, quit pastoring and hit the trailblazing evangelistic road himself.
The following is from his book, Visitation of God.
I have read, “Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you.” Acts 1:8. I fully expect with the infilling of the Holy Ghost, I would immediately have the power to heal the sick, and to perform miracles. It did not take me long to realize that more was required than the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, in order to consistently see these results. The Baptism in the Spirit provides access to this power, but the gifts of the Spirit provide the channel through which the power operates. I began to immediately pray and seek the gifts of the Spirit. I felt I must have the power to heal the sick, for I knew that God never called anyone to preach the gospel without also commissioning him to also heal the sick.
A.A. Allen understood that while the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was very important, it is was not the end all of the Pentecostal experience. It was the gateway to experiencing more of the presence and power of God.
He would go on and tell us more about what he believed about the Holy Spirit experience.
The power of the Holy Ghost may be readily likened to the power of electricity. When one is filled with the Spirit, it is as though he had his house wired, and established connection with the “power house.” Many people use electricity for years just to provide light! They never take advantage of the great possibilities that are available through using the appliances which electricity will operate. The gifts of the Spirit might be likened to the appliances. As new gifts are added more work can be done, with greater ease. The power has not changed, but it has become more effective, God never intended to STOP when He had filled His people with the Spirit. That is just the beginning.
This is probably one of the best theological understanding of what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that I have read. It clearly tells us what is the Baptism and how the spiritual gifts connect to it.
It would be hard to say that A.A. Allen did not have the evidence to back up his claims. He had a miracle ministry that focused on healing the sick for over twenty years until his death.
It is not to say that his spiritual life was perfect, because it was not. It is to say he did have spiritual understanding in a measure. He did understand the power of God to heal the sick, even if the personal life of A.A. Allen was not as good as it should have been. Many people walk in intense revelation in one area and have zero victory is another area of life.
One of the core values of Vineyard Churches is partnering with Holy Spirit.
This is one of my favorite topics too. I actually wrote my thesis in seminary on Pneumatology. I love the Holy Spirit and I love being baptized in the Spirit. There is a big difference between be filled with the Spirit and knowing Holy Spirit, the Person.
The context of the Vineyard churches is more being filled with the Spirit. It is worth noting that they do not believe that tongues is the initial physical evidence of the baptism. I am not sure what is the evidence to be of the baptism but it is not a private language.
What does Vineyard Church believe about being partnering with Holy Spirit?
According to the Core Value booklet, “The Vineyard story is driven by the reality that God eagerly desires us to experience His presence, and then to partner with Him in His work of showing His love to the world. We believe that the Holy Spirit distributes gifts among us, enabling us to encounter God’s presence personally and corporately, and then to minister to the world around us in the power of the Spirit.”
What I see here is alot of theological words that don’t really say much in reality. I am also led to believe that they think that God moves more powerfully inside the church meetings than any other time. However, Ezekiel 47 tells otherwise. The more they got from the temple, the stronger the river become.
The other concern that I have is the role of the Holy Spirit today is not “show love to people.” The Holy Spirit came to convict the world of sin according to Christ. God loves you does not mean anything without repentance and surrender.
I would love to see more of the current Vineyard Church position on Pneumatology.
A call to the prophetic
I am happy to see that part of their core values is about hearing God for others. We call that being prophetic.
“We pray for the sick, we confront injustice, and we seek to hear the voice of God on behalf of others.”
Being a voice of the Spirit is very important and out of the outpost of partnering with Holy Spirit. It is something that every Spirit Baptized believers is called to do and should make a lifestyle of doing.
In the words of John Wimber, “Everyone gets to play.”
I do not believe that is biblical when there is a meetings and there is no prophecy, no tongues and interpretation, no words of knowledge, and no miracles. That is not the same stories that I see in the Book of Acts. Every time 2 or 3 gather, there should be a song, a hymn, a miracle, or a prophecy.
As I said the actual position on Pneumatology currently hold by the Vineyard Churches seems very unclear and what they really believe today. The position was much stronger before the split with the Toronto Blessing and all the fallout that happened right after that.
Note: This is a series on the Vineyard Churches, their values and their beliefs.
My Theological Disclaimer
To be quite honest, it is very limited and I was in the probably the least “Vineyard Vineyard” of them all. I was a teenager when Kansas City Fellowship become Metro Vineyard for a few years. After the mess in Toronto, we become Metro Christian Fellowship after we left the movement over difference of opinion of revival.
We always had a little different point of view on things than many other in the Vineyard. We were kinda the “prophecy” church more than most others were. If anything, it is was too much of an emphasis there. Growing in the prophetic was not an easy road and there is not too many road signs along the way.
As we go through this study, understand my background in from being part of Metro Vineyard and my theological background is mostly Classic Pentecostal. I was educated in the Brownsville Revival and later at Central Bible College (Assemblies of God) and finally at Oral Roberts University.