There is a reason that I support Bill Johnson and his ministry. It is not because I think that Bethel Church is beyond correctness. I have voiced my own concerns over how the school is run and some of the eschatology that is trumped from Redding. Continue reading…
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[wd_hustle id=”email”]A question that I get a lot is concerning a coming healing revival? It is centered around some prophetic words and promises that people have been talking about for years. It seems that the discussion of healing revival goes back to as early as May 1906 at Azusa Street. Continue reading…
A question I am asking often goes like this, “Is Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry worth going to?” It is noble question as many people walk to learn more about revival, scripture and how to run a ministry. The problem that I see in Redding is that alot of that doesn’t actually happen. Continue reading…
I know they would be coming. Questions Todd Bentley, his Pneumatology and Missiology. They came during Lakeland and they are coming again. Some people are lining up to yell heretic and others are living up to hear BAM! After all, BAM! is the new FIRE from the Brownsville Revival.
Personally I get concerned when I see leaders line up to endorse a guy like Todd. If Lakeland taught use anything, as question as they endorse; they will condemn at the first sign of trouble. Leaving the big names in ministry out of the loop is best. Plus, we are contending for a nameless and faceless generation.
Just as the people in Malta operating under a demonic prophetic anointing declared that Paul was a murderer (throwing the past in his face), the same is true of many of the heresy hunters in the blogshpere. What happened in 2009 is over. The mercies of the Lord is new every morning and today is a new day in the Spirit of God.
Does Todd Bentley have a Pneumatology problem?
He does. However, I will take someone full of the Holy Spirit and just believes God at face value over some dead Pentecostal preacher that would not know revival if it hit him in the face. Many of the pastors in the Assemblies of God rejected the Brownsville Revival. That tells you a little bit about discernment on their part. It is always easier to steer a moving boat than it is turn from a dead stop.
I do not share some of Todd’s ideas on having lattes with the Apostle Paul, Angels just chilling with him on a hot summer day, and some of the impartation of church history.
Pneumatology has been an area of weakness for many healing evangelists over the years, You can look at Charles Fox Parham teaching Oneness, Aimee Semple McPherson wierd ideas, William Branham ideas on angels, A.A. Allen telling everyone they have a devil and Lonnie Frisbee’s odd ideas as well. While Todd is in a list of people who some rather special ideas on the Holy Spirit. He is in a good company of saints through the Pentecostal movement.
I have been in many meetings with Todd Bentley. I am there to receive what the Lord has for me but I am not about to throw away my bible to do it. God will never tell you to check your brain at the door.
What is the missiology of Todd Bentley
From what I know, He has pretty close to the same view that we do at Latter Rains; we are marching towards the great end time harvest that all Pentecostal movements hold. Todd believes, as I do, we are heading towards a ONE BILLION soul harvest. I would say alot of that theology is grounded in a prophetic word that Mike Bickle received in Eypgt. God said He would change the understand and expression of Christianity in one generation. What I know from Todd’s missiology is close to what many of us in the Latter Rain hold. God will pour out his Spirit beyond measure to a people without mixture.
If you was to asked me the missiology of Todd, my guess would to live out Matthew 4:23 in the nations. Go amazing works in the world with signs, wonders, and miracles. Jesus came to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils. He also gave us the same assignment as well. If we are not doing it; that is called sin.
Before you throw stones at Todd, consider this was much of the same view of people like William Seymour and Charles Fox Parham. A.G. Garr was touched at the Azusa Street Revival and within weeks he was leaving for India to take message of Pentecost to them. This is nothing new.
My take on Todd Bentley
He has his problems, both personally and theologically, but one thing Todd knows how to do it hosting the Holy Spirit. He does not get in a hurry to do anything and if he feels the people need to soak in the glory of God; he will soak no matter who is watching.
One thing I do admire about Todd is he is willing to forget preaching if the Holy Spirit is moving and God is building people’s faith without anyone teaching. This is something most pastors and even evangelists just can’t get enough freedom to do.
Before you throw stones at Todd, remember the Bible is full of screw ups and we do a disservice to over spiritualize people’s problems in the Bible. After all, we are just as much God’s people!
A.B. Simpson, a name that people forget about and founder of Christian Missionary Alliance had a powerful experience with the Holy Ghost. We love holy encounters!
The Lord has a way of touching people that wouldn’t expect it. It has happened time after time in the history of the Church. Simpson’s encounter is not a surprise, either.
One thing you have to understand about the man is he had an upbringing deep in Calvinism, Presbyterianism, and being a Puritan. There was, can we say, no emphasis on the Holy Spirit in his theological framework. They believe in full on Cessationism.
Even though he was a Presbyterian, he wanted to win the lost. He took one of the first churches he ministered at and transformed it to be a place of soul winning. He did not have the power of the Holy Spirit yet but he did have the burden the lost. At least, he was on a good track for revival.
A.B. Simpson was setup for Power Evangelism
He really wanted to see the lost saved. If you are hungry for souls, it is only a matter of time before you figure out that the power of the Holy Spirit is how to do it. Being a Calvinist just won’t work. His little five points is anti-evangelistic.
In 1889, he moved to what become known as the New York Tabernacle on 8th Avenue in New York City. Around that same time, he was having trouble with his theology. He wanted to see more success in the mission of soul winning. He had to find the missing link.
It was around this time, he came to have a ministerial philosophy of “Jesus our Savior, Sanctifier, Healer, and Coming King.” Oddly, this became the cornerstone for the Gospel of the Foursquare under the ministry of Aimee Semple McPherson as well.
The details of when he was baptised with the Holy Spirit is not completely clear but it was sometime around the time they moved to the New York Tabernacle. Shortly after that, he started preaching divine healing as an integral part of the gospel. It was not an addon to the gospel; it was the gospel just as much as salvation was.
The Assemblies of God did not exist yet and it was years ahead of the Azusa Street Revival. However, A.B. Simpson’s position on divine healing would become official doctrine on the Assemblies of God in 1916.
He would say in his book, A Larger Christian Life in 1890,
He is showing us the plan for a Christian church that is much more than an association of congenial friends to listen once a week to an intellectual discourse and musical entertainment and carry on by proxy a mechanism of Christian work; but rather a church that can be at once the mother and home of every form of help and blessing which Jesus came to give to lost and suffering men, the birthplace and the home of souls, the fountain of healing and cleansing, the sheltering home for the orphan and distressed, the school for the culture and training of God’s children, the armory where they are equipped for the battle of the Lord and the army which fights those battles in His name. Such a center of population in this sad and sinful world!
We can take to account that sometimes before 1890, he received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost but we are not sure when exactly.
A.B. Simpson and tongues
He is like many through history that struggled to believe that praying in tongues was the initial evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many believed it and many did not. It is believe that Simpson did pray in tongues but did not believed you have to in order to be baptized in the Holy Ghost.
The Christian Missionary Alliance developed a position that the fruit of the Spirit was the evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism and it was proved by a fruitful ministry. This was in directly conflict with the position what became the view of the Assemblies of God later, “The baptism of believers in the Holy Spirit is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance.”
As more and more Pentecostal came to Nyack College to study theology; this became more and more of an issue. Some believe it was the evidence and others did not. It would create quite the controversy early on in the Pentecostal movement and in the Christian Missionary Alliance.
Modern Day Connections
Around 1921, they started a bible school in Seattle called Simpson Bible Institute. It was named about A.B. Simpson who had just died two years earlier. One of the booklet said that Seattle was ideal because it put them several hundred miles closer to China and easier to get missionaries on the ground in Asia.
In 1989, after many moves, they landed in Redding, California and around the same time, launched the A.W. Tozer Theological Seminary.
What else Redding, California has become known for is Bethel Assembly of God or today, Bethel Church led by Bill Johnson and Kris Vallaton. This is the linkage of two generation of missionary soulwinning together for a common vision of the Holy Ghost evangelism.
Bethel Church even had a service at the university once a week that focus on healing the sick, an emphasis of A.B. Simpson. Students of the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry also stay on campus in one of the dorms of the school.
The coming together of two streams to form a river is a power thing in the Kingdom of God. The Christian Missionary Alliance represents a history that influenced the Pentecostal revival prior to it even existing and Bethel Church represents a modern healing revival that was very much the heart of A.B. Simpson.
With that, there are many in the Christian Missionary Alliance that do not openly embrace the modern move of God but that is true with every revival. One generation has a hard time passing the Baton to the next generation. It is just the Christian Missionary Alliance people that struggle with this.