Rich Witmer leaves G12 Philippines

The whole concept of the G12 Vision and G12 Philippines is heresy but it is not something that I really give alot of thought about. However, I have known for quite some time that whole thing was a time bomb waiting to go off.

The problem with this type of programs is they look good on paper but working on paper and working in real life are two completely different matters. In the end, the G12 vision became spiritual control, blackmail, and down right witchcraft.  The leaders of it are using it to build their kingdoms, not the Kingdom of God.

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A pastor from Yuma, Arizona has been coming to the Philippines alot pushing the whole idea of G12 to the pastors and their people. It become a full blown cult in the country actually. That pastor is Rich Witmer.

He is a very authoritative leader who has had caused quite a list of issues in Yuma among the churches. Many pastors consider his teachings to be witchcraft and occultist.

In my personal opinion, applying the 7 ways to identify a cult by Mike Bickle; his ministry would be clearly on their way if not there already. This is concerning at best.


Rich Witmer has rejected G12 Philippines

I do not know the background or the backdrop for what happened but I did notice the following post on Facebook. I do not follow him much but people do ask so I went and looked,

I am finished. G12 Philippines, you are on your own. I have given my best. I am truly sorry that I failed to protect you in this day of testing: I leave you in the capable hands of the Holy Spirit.

G12: I officially renounce my relationship with G12 in any capacity.

I renounce my relationship with Pastor Cesar Castellanos. I will continue in the strategy I learned in Colombia (that they no longer practice). But I will no longer acknowledge Pastor Cesar or his materials. I will honor him and never speak a negative word about him, but I am no longer in any relationship and I am no longer in covenant to pray for him and his family.

This is very interesting as he used to pimp out Cesar Castellanos as his spiritual father. He has rejected much of the G12 vision finally (or it seems) and he does not want to connected with Castellanos spiritually. He does not even want to commit to pray for him.

However, what really grabs me attention is that fact that he is renouncing any relationship with G12 Philippines. It was Rich Witmer that bought this nightmare to the country and now he is sick of it. He has been like a man that knocks up a woman that runs around from the child.

I am not really that interested in why it broke down. I have personally seen the ego of Leo Carlo Panlilio from Destiny Church in Quezon City. I can only dream of the among of egoistic leadership they had working together.


G12 Vision is not about Christianity, it is about politics

The vision of it at its’ core is to use Christianity as a platform to get control political of the nation. They have been trying to political post for quite some time. I do not believe one of their members is now the mayor of a town. It is the start of their political goals.

What is downright unbelievable for me is the support they gave Rodrigo Duterte, a man with serious views that are not in line with the New Testament. I am not getting into his politics but killing people without trail and encouraging communism is not the will of God. This is in no way being a defender of the poor.

I can not believe that Rich Witmer did not know that pastors such as Leo Carlo Panlilio was openly promoting this and giving their full endorsement of him. I even heard of G12 Philippines hold prayer meetings that he would be elected.

The point is this: we are dealing with a political party in the making, not a movement about the great commission. The use of Christianity is a way to gather the people, control them and make them loyal to the forming party.

This is not the first time in history that this has happened. It will not be the last. Many parties have formed like this. It is believed that G12 has done the same thing in Colombia.


What about Witmer’s personal life?

While I could be the next guy to pick up stones and throw them; I won’t. Mercy triumphs over judgement. I do not know the story of why there is a “scandal” in Generations Church or why he has divorced his wife. It is concerning but I just do not have the facts. I have seen God work things out and people get remarried (to the same woman). That could happen here.

My concern with him has always been, and remains to be, about the spiritual control and overly authoritative leadership that is happening in G12 Philippines. It is taking that “prideful Filipino ego” and encouraging it to level that are rated as insanity. All humility is lost and it reminds the people of martial days with President Marcos.

To be fair, most of my exposure to Rich Witmer is via the way of short message I have heard and my dealing with others in the G12 Philippines movement. I have not met him and never spend time with him. I can not say how he is with people off the platform. Everyone is different away from the pulpit to a degree.

It is my prayer that he will return to the pure gospel of Jesus Christ. He will start to preach eternity again and not use the faith for political means. I do not believe the Holy Spirit is done with anyone that includes Rich. I believe the operative word here is personal freedom!


 

  • Franco
    October 9, 2016 - 8:42 am

    I see nothing wrong with G12. Im not G12 nor a G12 defender of any sort (although I have lots of friends in the G12). G12 is a system like a cell church system that anyone can copy. There are Assemblies of God, Baptists, Evangelicals and other denominations who copied the G12 system.

    The problem lies with some pastors who adopt G12 system in their church that became abusive. Its the same problem with every Christian denomination like Evangelicals, Penticostals, etc. Its not in the G12, but this problem is part of every human being called “sinful nature”.

    There are lot of good guys in G12. I have seen the Holy Sprit moved through G12. I attended one of their conference and I have seen God healed a lame guy since birth instantly (when Pastor Cesar prayed for him). There’s a lot of healings and even raised the dead by pastors who is doing G12.

    To say that G12 is inherintly evil, full of withcraft, amd controlling is the same with saying Evangelicals, Penticostals, Assemblies of God, etc are all inherintly evil. There are alot Evangelical pastors who are also controlling and even falls into sexual sin. G12 is no excempt.

    I personally met Pastor Rich not just in church but also outside the church. I can say that he’s really though in pulpit but very gentle and meek outside the pulpit. His personality is so much different in the pulpit, his facebook posts and in person. I guess, its just his style. He’s a good guy. He’d help a lot of pastors with no strings attached.

    To judge Duterte as evil and not in line with the New Testament without knowing him personally is like judging Peter who cursed Ananias and Saphirra to death not acting like Jesus Christ. If you could have lived here in Davao City, Philippines and not listen to corrupt PRESStitutes then I believe you see things differently.

    No one is perfect, every great man of God in the Bible has its flaws. If these modern day judge was present during the times of the old, they could’ve judged King Solomon to exclude his writings in the Bible saying that he was the one introduced idols in Israel and he wasnt able to apply what he wrote in Proverbs.

    Even to our New Testsment heroes were perfect. Namely, John Wesley, Evan Roberts, Smith Wigglesworth, etc. They all have their flaws.

    With regard to politics, i would have to disagree with you. Most Christians here in the Philippines (not just G12) desired to put a godly guys in political office. We are tired of long history of corruption. We want to oust every corrupt official in the politics. If Christians here are not united, this would remain dream and never come into reality.

    Most corrupt politicians here give a huge amount to corrupt pastors (not even their member) just to endorse them to their members. I guess G12 is very solid and radical agaisnt it. They refused to be paid and to endorsed corrupt officials. Instead they endorsed all Christian politicians like Manny Pacquaio (who is not even G12).

    I have heard a lot of prophets here (like Cindy Jacobs [have attended in her conference few years ago], et al) prophesied about these things to our nation and we are so excited about it.

    If you could have living here in the Philippines and witnessed the abuse of the corrupt officials, police, etc. If you could have witness how to deal with every govt offices and their corrupt practices and seeing how Duterte radically changed every govt office (i personally witnessed these things).

    Even in checkpoints, police tend to charge you an offense just for bribery and how Duterte have erradicated it then you would be much happier.

    If you could’ve witnessed the gangs on the streets just tripped you out without reason (im a victim of it) and how Duterte cleansed it, you could’ve be happier.

    If you could’ve have witnessed it personally and not just listen to hearsays…..

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    • Peter Vandever
      October 9, 2016 - 9:55 am

      I live in Makati, we built one of the most prosperous cities in Asia and did it without murdering 1,700 people. You can’t murder your way to prosperity. If God is the God of blessing, God does not bless murder. Duterte get most of his troubles for two things: murdering people and his sociopathic comments.

      With that said, the man worship in G12 is unreal. They have made Cesar and others into Jesus Jr.

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    • Gernil
      November 3, 2016 - 5:50 am

      You nailed it. God bless us all!

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  • Franco
    October 9, 2016 - 8:42 am

    I see nothing wrong with G12. Im not G12 nor a G12 defender of any sort (although I have lots of friends in the G12). G12 is a system like a cell church system that anyone can copy. There are Assemblies of God, Baptists, Evangelicals and other denominations who copied the G12 system.

    The problem lies with some pastors who adopt G12 system in their church that became abusive. Its the same problem with every Christian denomination like Evangelicals, Penticostals, etc. Its not in the G12, but this problem is part of every human being called “sinful nature”.

    There are lot of good guys in G12. I have seen the Holy Sprit moved through G12. I attended one of their conference and I have seen God healed a lame guy since birth instantly (when Pastor Cesar prayed for him). There’s a lot of healings and even raised the dead by pastors who is doing G12.

    To say that G12 is inherintly evil, full of withcraft, amd controlling is the same with saying Evangelicals, Penticostals, Assemblies of God, etc are all inherintly evil. There are alot Evangelical pastors who are also controlling and even falls into sexual sin. G12 is no excempt.

    I personally met Pastor Rich not just in church but also outside the church. I can say that he’s really though in pulpit but very gentle and meek outside the pulpit. His personality is so much different in the pulpit, his facebook posts and in person. I guess, its just his style. He’s a good guy. He’d help a lot of pastors with no strings attached.

    To judge Duterte as evil and not in line with the New Testament without knowing him personally is like judging Peter who cursed Ananias and Saphirra to death not acting like Jesus Christ. If you could have lived here in Davao City, Philippines and not listen to corrupt PRESStitutes then I believe you see things differently.

    No one is perfect, every great man of God in the Bible has its flaws. If these modern day judge was present during the times of the old, they could’ve judged King Solomon to exclude his writings in the Bible saying that he was the one introduced idols in Israel and he wasnt able to apply what he wrote in Proverbs.

    Even to our New Testsment heroes were perfect. Namely, John Wesley, Evan Roberts, Smith Wigglesworth, etc. They all have their flaws.

    With regard to politics, i would have to disagree with you. Most Christians here in the Philippines (not just G12) desired to put a godly guys in political office. We are tired of long history of corruption. We want to oust every corrupt official in the politics. If Christians here are not united, this would remain dream and never come into reality.

    Most corrupt politicians here give a huge amount to corrupt pastors (not even their member) just to endorse them to their members. I guess G12 is very solid and radical agaisnt it. They refused to be paid and to endorsed corrupt officials. Instead they endorsed all Christian politicians like Manny Pacquaio (who is not even G12).

    I have heard a lot of prophets here (like Cindy Jacobs [have attended in her conference few years ago], et al) prophesied about these things to our nation and we are so excited about it.

    If you could have living here in the Philippines and witnessed the abuse of the corrupt officials, police, etc. If you could have witness how to deal with every govt offices and their corrupt practices and seeing how Duterte radically changed every govt office (i personally witnessed these things).

    Even in checkpoints, police tend to charge you an offense just for bribery and how Duterte have erradicated it then you would be much happier.

    If you could’ve witnessed the gangs on the streets just tripped you out without reason (im a victim of it) and how Duterte cleansed it, you could’ve be happier.

    If you could’ve have witnessed it personally and not just listen to hearsays…..

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    • Peter Vandever
      October 9, 2016 - 9:55 am

      I live in Makati, we built one of the most prosperous cities in Asia and did it without murdering 1,700 people. You can’t murder your way to prosperity. If God is the God of blessing, God does not bless murder. Duterte get most of his troubles for two things: murdering people and his sociopathic comments.

      With that said, the man worship in G12 is unreal. They have made Cesar and others into Jesus Jr.

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    • Gernil
      November 3, 2016 - 5:50 am

      You nailed it. God bless us all!

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  • Belle
    January 27, 2017 - 8:47 am

    I live in Antipolo City, the pilot city of Tatay Digong’s new rules and that. I work at night. Before we’re all terrified of the possible threats, but we have seen how they implemented it- traffic was lessened, rugby boys are nowhere in sight, streets became safer, even at 3 am, people can sleep peacefully at night without the videoke and party people or the drunkards disturbing them and G12…

    G12 is helping with the transformation of the society. It is a lifestyle. You will be trained to share God’s words to your family and friends, have the chance to be a leader and raise up leaders as well. This way, spreading the gospel would be easier. Its not a Christian’s job to save people… That’s for the Holy spirit to do and accomplish. Christians are mouthpieces, living testimonies to the people around them. Our job is to tell them that Jesus came to save us, then pray for them. Another thing is that G12 never forces a person to a religion but G12 teaches people to have a relationship with God, to have a true sense of repentance (change of mind, heart and actions that will manifest).

    But if you will look at how people or leaders would act, maybe… No… You will get disappointed because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, none is righteous none but one and Jesus was the only person who reached perfection. Religion, good works , charity and those stuff are made by human hands thus not enough to save us. That’s why G12 created this system and it is up to the churches if they’ll adapt everything or just the parts that seem to be necessary and effective.

    And we did endorse Tatay Digong. People can change for better or worse. Each presidential candidate had their own share of mistakes or dirty works (or words), at least he is real and transparent- Hindi plastic sa term nating pinoy). We held prayer meetings so that he will win cause if he lost, maybe the drug-related crimes have increased by now.

    All barangays and sitios, even the small villages were checked and raided. A lot of improvements happened in just a few months compared to the decades before.

    G12 gave these kinds of people a fighting chance to change for the better. I think we have tried almost everything. These drug users have surrendered their lives to Jesus and even their families are involved with the changes in their lives.

    And wasn’t death penalty biblical? Look again sire. In the bible, even the children who disrespected their parents were killed and punished.

    Bottomline is, churches have different ways to accomplish the great commission and G12 is probably one of the well-known strategies and we broadcast all the things that are happening cause our goal includes national transformation– even the unwanted people deserves a chance, the unwanted, uninvited and the undeserved.

    I’m not convincing you or what. I’m just stating the facts based on real life experience. Some things that you have not seen

    Sorry for the long post. Well, not sorry at all. I have lots of time to do this anyway.

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  • Belle
    January 27, 2017 - 8:47 am

    I live in Antipolo City, the pilot city of Tatay Digong’s new rules and that. I work at night. Before we’re all terrified of the possible threats, but we have seen how they implemented it- traffic was lessened, rugby boys are nowhere in sight, streets became safer, even at 3 am, people can sleep peacefully at night without the videoke and party people or the drunkards disturbing them and G12…

    G12 is helping with the transformation of the society. It is a lifestyle. You will be trained to share God’s words to your family and friends, have the chance to be a leader and raise up leaders as well. This way, spreading the gospel would be easier. Its not a Christian’s job to save people… That’s for the Holy spirit to do and accomplish. Christians are mouthpieces, living testimonies to the people around them. Our job is to tell them that Jesus came to save us, then pray for them. Another thing is that G12 never forces a person to a religion but G12 teaches people to have a relationship with God, to have a true sense of repentance (change of mind, heart and actions that will manifest).

    But if you will look at how people or leaders would act, maybe… No… You will get disappointed because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, none is righteous none but one and Jesus was the only person who reached perfection. Religion, good works , charity and those stuff are made by human hands thus not enough to save us. That’s why G12 created this system and it is up to the churches if they’ll adapt everything or just the parts that seem to be necessary and effective.

    And we did endorse Tatay Digong. People can change for better or worse. Each presidential candidate had their own share of mistakes or dirty works (or words), at least he is real and transparent- Hindi plastic sa term nating pinoy). We held prayer meetings so that he will win cause if he lost, maybe the drug-related crimes have increased by now.

    All barangays and sitios, even the small villages were checked and raided. A lot of improvements happened in just a few months compared to the decades before.

    G12 gave these kinds of people a fighting chance to change for the better. I think we have tried almost everything. These drug users have surrendered their lives to Jesus and even their families are involved with the changes in their lives.

    And wasn’t death penalty biblical? Look again sire. In the bible, even the children who disrespected their parents were killed and punished.

    Bottomline is, churches have different ways to accomplish the great commission and G12 is probably one of the well-known strategies and we broadcast all the things that are happening cause our goal includes national transformation– even the unwanted people deserves a chance, the unwanted, uninvited and the undeserved.

    I’m not convincing you or what. I’m just stating the facts based on real life experience. Some things that you have not seen

    Sorry for the long post. Well, not sorry at all. I have lots of time to do this anyway.

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  • rosa richie postrero
    April 7, 2017 - 5:57 am

    there is nothing wrong in G12 we are not a people of people, we are a people of God!

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  • rosa richie postrero
    April 7, 2017 - 5:57 am

    there is nothing wrong in G12 we are not a people of people, we are a people of God!

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