Open Challenge to Justin Peters

Justin Peters is a personality in the Christian radio space. He is also an Anti-Pentecostal teacher who has been asked about his views numerous times. One of the people that has confronted his view is Dr. Michael L. Brown.

However, to date, Justin Peters Ministries has refused to return my letters asking Justin to a academic debate about his views on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Pentecostal movement. This will serve as an open challenge to him to come to the table and “let us reason together.”

If he is so sure of his theological bent that he learned at Southwest Baptist Theological Seminary, why is he so slow to have the open dialog with me. Is it because he knows his position holds no weight doctrinally and he can’t be deceptive in a debate like he was at Open Bible Fellowship in Tulsa. This is where he pretended to want prayer just to “confront” Todd Bentley in the middle of the meeting. Yes, they was completely out of order and against the New Testament.

Here is my challenge to Justin Peters

You are completely sure that all Pentecostals and especially anyone that believes that God does not want us completely broke and beaten down is a heretic. You want everyone to know that you did not get healed when R.W. Schambach prayed for you once. You are angry because you have a disability and if you are not healed, God must never heal anyone.

You are completely unfaithful to the New Testament and twist the word of God to meet your bent to present your bitterness to anyone that will listen.

I am sick of it. I am a missionary but when I am next in the United States, I will meet you in any city in the country for an academic debate. There will no name calling. It will just be the two of us and our bibles. We can reason it out and I will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are wrong about Pentecostals like myself.

I do not care where it is. You seem to have a strong view about Bethel Church. Why not ask them to host a debate where you can openly “educate me” in front of all their students on why God quit being God at 70AD? I can personally guarantee that IHOP University in Kansas City would openly welcome the discussion as well. If neither of them are conformable to you, Oral Roberts University would be an option. (We both have roots in Tulsa)

The simple fact is you do not want honest theological discussion. You want to deceive people like you did asking for prayer at the meeting with Todd Bentley. You want to bully people from the radio show without dialog. Dr. Brown took it very easy on you. I want to see you actually defend your position. The truth is you can’t. It is why you pick on people who you know don’t have a depth of theological inquiry like Todd.

Any city of your choosing. I will make it happen. It is the golden opportunity for you to educate the Pentecostal movement how “evil” we are.

Why he won’t face me?

It would destroy his whole platform. If you take away his “Pentecostals are the devil” campaign and that we are all a bunch of con artists just taking offerings so we can live in 12,000 square foot homes; he has nothing left of value to talk about. His financial support as a ministry would dry up overnight.

It is not beneficial to them to face a Pentecostal that believes in revival, healing, the move of the Spirit and is well versed in Greek, Hebrew, Arabic and a student of church history. It threatens the very existence of these heresy hunters.

Picking on Todd Bentley in a middle of a service is easy. Everyone knows he has theological challenges. Why doesn’t Justin Peters quit being a bully and pick on someone that can defend their views?

 

 

  • Karen Reid
    September 2, 2018 - 4:20 pm

    I’ve never even BEEN charismatic, and prior to the Strange Fire conference, I considered myself to be a Baptist. I gave monthly to Grace to You out of my OWN disability pension. I am also in possession of the Strange Fire conference CD’s, and was appalled by the comments of the sneering Pharisees, who made lofty pronouncements concerning the examination of extrabiblical revelations (JMac quoted 1 Thess. 5:20-21 repeatedly–however it was VERY interesting that he NEVER quoted the ENTIRE Scripture which includes verse NINETEEN of 1 Thess 5. He ONLY quoted 1 Thess. 5:20-21,”Do not despise prophecies, but examine them.”

    He failed to quote the verse prior to it: “DO NOT QUENCH THE SPIRIT” (verse 19)–BECAUSE, after all was said and done, and the conference purportedly which was to establish criteria to examine extrabiblical revelations, and after JMac published the “Strange Fire” book, which CLEARLY delineates FIVE criteria by which to examine extrabibilical revelations, the TRUTH IS, these unbelieving, disobedient Pharisees DO NOT BELIEVE IN extrabiblical revelations.

    They believe ALL divine interventions, including not only healing and speaking in tongues but DREAMS of Jesus, ended after the apostolic age as well (which is NOT supported by Scripture, such as Joel 2:28, and what Elihu said in Job 33:14-28, “God DOES speak, now one way, now another, in a dream, in a vision of the night…or He may chasten him on a bed of pain…God does all these things, twice, three times to a man, to bring his soul back from the pit, that he may be lighted with the light of life” ), and NONE of these men obey the Lord’s simple commands in His Word to examine extrabiblical revelations according to biblical criteria (and I believe they need to be called on the carpet for their hypocrisy!).

    It’s nothing but hypocrisy. I was actually kicked out of the car of the man who organized the Strange Fire conference (Travis Allen) on Easter Sunday, 2015, after he invited me to dinner with his family (and I’m a service connected disabled veteran in a powerchair!), because I refused to deny that Jesus came to me in a glorious, amazing dream when I was 18, and emerging from severe trauma as a teen. What wicked, unbelieving, DISOBEDIENT, PRIDEFUL hearts these men have!

    You can read this testimony of what Travis did to me on http://www.yelp.com. Search for “Grace church” near Greeley, CO. But the Lord takes care of His own. On my way home in my wheelchair cab that day (and I live 40 miles from Greeley), I opened my Bible RIGHT TO 1 Peter 4:14: “If you are insulted for the Name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.” Even my atheist cab driver was impressed! He said “Whoa…” when I read it to him!

    It’s also interesting to me that in the 2014 Shepherd’s conference, a mere 5 months after the Strange Fire conference, that the LIGHTS went out as John MacArthur spoke–someone uploaded a YT video of it, titled “Power in the Pulpit.”

    I left a comment (which was no doubt deleted), saying “The power LEFT the pulpit”! God’s JUDGEMENT fell on John MacArthur and the whole lot of them, but JMac, who doesn’t believe in extrabiblical revelations, was “tone deaf” to what the Spirit said to him.

    As he finished his speech in the dark, a flashlight his only illumination, he said “I’m starting to process why this happened. Gonna leave it to the Lord.”

    I would also like to add that I was thoroughly chewed up and spit out by the Calvinist Dispensationalists Unite FB page, who called me wicked, vile names, and pastor Lyndon Unger, a Master’s Seminary graduate, told me on the GTY FB page that he’d “read my dream and show me my error.”

    HA! I never HEARD from him again. Several months later I contacted him on his FB page, and told him how glad I was to find him, and told him I was still awaiting the biblical critique of my dream in which Jesus came to me. Again, I never heard from him again. I have been strongly encouraged by everyone who reads my testimony to write a book about it so, as the Lord leads, I am looking for an agent now.

    May HIS WILL be done! When I asked Him if it’s His will that I write a book about my testimony, He led me to several Scriptures, among them Mark 8:38: “Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

    I was also led to Acts 4:19-20, “But Peter and John answered them, ‘Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to YOU rather than to GOD, you must judge, “FOR WE CANNOT HELP BUT SPEAK OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND HEARD.”

    Jesus said three things to me in the dream in which He came to me: ONE of them was, “Repent NOW. Turn from your sin NOW” (and this was AFTER I had “accepted Jesus as my Savior” during a Billy Graham “Decision for Christ” crusade).

    The MacGroupies have accused me of having “Satan appear as an angel of light” to me–and I have told them “Jesus said ‘A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand”–why would SATAN tell me to repent of my sin? And I actually SAW Satan in that dream, shrouded in black, and it was HE who put the note on the bridge Jesus and I were on, to try to tempt me away from Jesus.

    My testimony is posted on my http://www.plus.google.com page if anyone is interested in reading it. My “channel name” is “Recovering Baptist,” as I will forever be licking my wounds from these people. I shared so many of false teacher Renee Roland’s videos, that Google set up a “Recovering Baptist Renee Roland” page, and my testimony is shared there.

    One last interesting thing: I gave Travis and Grace one year to apologize. I prayed during that year for the Holy Spirit to work in their hearts, but after that year, they refused to apologize. In fact, they believe Travis was serving God to treat me so despicably (I also remembered that Jesus said, “The time is coming when they will think they are serving God by putting you out of the synagogue (church).

    I then asked the Lord what He was going to do to punish them, and opened my Bible. I was NOT expecting an answer from the Lord, but was AMAZED when I turned RIGHT TO Rev. 3:9: “I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you.” I laughed out loud, and thought, “Leave it to the Lord, to exact just the RIGHT punishment!

    Can you imagine these prideful, arrogant men having to bow down before a WOMAN?, and sent this in an email to the Grace church office. One last thing, if the Lord does intend for me to write a book, I am one in a MILLION who wouldn’t take a DIME for it. ALL proceeds would go to Joni and Friends’ Wheels for the World and Compassion Int’l. Jesus said, “Freely you have received, freely give.” The apostle Paul also wrote, “For we are not like so many, peddlers of God’s Word.” I shudder at the thought of profiting from this gift of love the Lord gave me!

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