A question I am asking often goes like this, “Is Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry worth going to?” It is noble question as many people walk to learn more about revival, scripture and how to run a ministry. The problem that I see in Redding is that alot of that doesn’t actually happen. Continue reading…
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I was going through some old music on Amazon’s music player and I find the pre-release for Misty Edwards first CD that she put out. It was probably 2002 or so. It reminded me of the challenge that Misty had before her. She had the experience of the dark night of the soul. She had a giant in her land! Continue reading…
Of all the people in the IHOPKC community, I have to say the favorite one for me to be around Corey Russell. That guy just make me more hungry for the presence of God than anyone. He wanted the glorious manifest presence to fall in our midst. He wanted to more it from theology to experience. Continue reading…
I like Allen Hood.
I might bust up everytime he says God but I still enjoy to listen to him give a message that he believes in. He is a student of the Word of God. He is a student of revival. He is a student of end time prophecy. He is a hungry man for the presence of God. When he speaks, I listen. I learned more from his Christology course than I did from the one at Oral Roberts. Continue reading…
I used to be part of the IHOPKC (International House of Prayer-Kansas City) ministry. It is what Mike Bickle calls an “apostolic community.” I was there from day one actually. Mike gave the call to content for stadium Christianity and power that no disease known to man will stand against. That is what I signed up for. Continue reading…
I generally respect Mike Bickle but this thing with Ted Cruz is out there. I am not sure why Mike is even getting into this “endorsing” business. All it does is make the critics look justified when they cry “Kingdom Now” looking at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City.
I am calling it what it is: a bonehead move. I know that Bickle is not the only one making this bonehead decision either. I am completely blown away that Dr. Michael L. Brown, a very level headed theologian in most cases would buy into all the hype as well.
Mike Bickle believes that Cruz is best
In this article to a news outlet, he said the following, “I observed that no candidate for president has a stronger record than Cruz on standing with Israel, fighting radical Islamic terrorism, and combating anti-Semitism in the world.”
This is an example of what I just do not get. I am sure Mike Bickle knew that a personal friend of his, Mike Huckabee, was still in the race when he came out of this endorsement of Ted Cruz (January 21, 2016). I am sorry, Mike but Huckabee is much more pro-Jewish than Ted Cruz ever will be.
It was Huckabee that went to battle for the people of Israel when things were in hot water with the Iran deal. It cost him royalty to do it too. I just do not understand how Mike Bickle could forget this stuff. Maybe, it was all that amazing Misty Edwards worship at the prayer house.
Only Mike Huckabee is a real conservative
Cruz is using the Church to try and get elected. It is very sad that the prophetic leaders that see it for what it is. I do not recall seeing Ted Cruz in the prayer lines at the Call when there was no cameras and no elections coming up. It was Mike Huckabee that was there. I remember seeing Sam Brownback put his neck on the line for what he believed but I do not remembering seeing Ted Cruz risk his politician career for what he believed.
Come to think of it, is Ted Cruz even baptized in the Holy Spirit?
I was part of the International House of Prayer (IHOPKC) back when it was called Friends of the Bridegroom and Mike Bickle was focused on the Song of Solomon and revival. I signed up for Stadium Christianity, not an eternal bible study on Revelation and Daniel. I also signed up for freedom, not spiritual abuse at the hands of leaders with religious spirits.
Now, with that said, I love Mike Bickle to pieces and I think the world of him. He is a great intercessor, leader and more importantly, friend of God. He was gracious to write the foreward to my first book, Pentecost at any cost, and I always respected him. Even if I radically disagree with him.
The problems at IHOPKC are under Mike and I do not believe that he knows what they are doing until he hears them through the rumor mills. A couple of the leaders, namely Stuart Greaves, have several torments from religious and controlling spirits. Greaves would grieve the Holy Spirit and think in his mind, he was doing the will of God. He was, and I am sure is, the “manifestation police.”
My personal struggles with Stuart go back to the “stable,” the original double wide that the IHOP-KC started in. The only reason I bring them up is he seems to be the common player is every story of someone wounded from the house of prayer.
IHOPKC is against Holy Freedom
As I said, Stuart and I had our run-ins over the years and it was almost always over two things: I believe in the pre-tribulational rapture and manifestations of the Holy Spirit. He did not like either one of them. We had some very intense discussions (nice way of saying heated debates) over both of them and I would not buy into the IHOPKC position on eschatology or Stuart’s position that manifestations were childish.
It was back in 2005 that it all came to a head. I was having some serious challenges in ministry. I had some challenges in my personal walk as well. I was trying to put my life back together and I went up to Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship for Catch the Fire and the Partners in Harvest leadership meeting. I wanted to spend time where I knew I was free to be….well, free. I also wanted to be in a place that I could admit I was not perfect and had stuff going on. IHOPKC is not the place to admit issues in your life.
I left everything in Kansas City behind and took a Greyhound to Toronto, stayed in some ran down hotel and asked a friend on staff at the church to get me because I didn’t have money for food and the conferences. I was not there in expectation; I was there in desperation. I needed a fresh touch from the Lord. I need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit again. I was there and I was hungry.
I came back to Kansas City with a fresh touch of the Holy Spirit like I had in 1996 in the Brownsville Revival. I was completely full of the River of God. I also knew that if I didn’t keep my distance, there was Round 47 coming with Greaves.
Praying for Freedom at IHOPKC
I wanted to pray for everyone to get freedom. Jesus did not die so we could have bible studies; He died so we could be filled up with love and release it to the world. I laid hands on anyone that wanted me to pray for them. I want everyone in freedom! I did not care where we was…. altar lines, wal-mart or the grocery store… it didn’t matter.
One girl, a Canadian that came from YWAM, didn’t have a grid for the presence of the Holy Spirit, complained to Stuart about getting touched too much by the Spirit and there I was, in the cross hairs again. In the back office with several leaders again about my impartation emphasis and this time, it was different: they told me that I should leave the ministry all together. Stuart said there is no common ground and I was “rebellious.”
Simple as that. I was gone from a ministry that I was raised in spiritually and lived very close (almost next door) It was weird to look at the window and watch friends go to prayer meeting, knowing that I was not loved anymore by the people I gave much of my life praying for Stadium Christianity.
Is IHOPKC a cult?
I do not believe so. I just think the Mike does not realize how controlling some of the leaders like Stuart really are. They kill the joy of the Lord in people. I have no hard feeling towards Mike Bickle, Allen Hood or even Stuart. Forgiveness happened a long time ago.
I have tried to reach out to him over the years and come to a common place of understanding. After three years of trying, I just gave up. I was back in the Philippines so on when I am home did it even matter? I know I could see him, hug him and love him as I would any brother. I still believe in the freedom of the Holy Spirit but I love him as a brother. I do not have to agree with him to love him.
I will be amiss to say that it does not bother when I am in Kansas City and watch people drive by to the House of Prayer and I am just sitting there with the stereo worshipping or pretending I can play guitar. In times like that, I would rather be in the prayer room leading a set for Stadium Christianity. However, it is what it is.
On a side note, the Word is true and the enemy is defeated. I would not have went back to Oral Roberts University to get a seminary degree if it was not for what happen. All things really work together for good for those who love Jesus.
I am a Pentecostal. I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit to save, heal, deliver, and fill. I am washed by the blood of Jesus but I am finding too are closer to brainwashed. This is very concerning to me.
This is one reason I raise questions about World Revival Church in Kansas City and even IHOP University but it goes alot better than that. I am finding alot of saints that just can’t think logically about the scriptures and the things of the Spirit.
One group thinks they are Stanley Horton and think the trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Bible. They wouldn’t know the power of God if it hit them in the face. They are Pentecostal that would find a problem with the Azusa Street Revival! They would condemn anything that was not dead and lifeless theology.
The other group is just following whatever they hear. They hardly open their bible. They perfer to get their theology from Trinity Broadcasting Network and Daystar. Just remember, television ministries will preach anything to get the wallets open. Spots on the networks is not cheap. It is not cheap at all.
Pastors are brianwashed too
Do you follow your pastor? Do you know more about what your pastor teaches than Jesus? When I hear someone saying “Pastor ___ says that…” I tune out. I do not care about what your pastor says or what sermon series you think I should listen to by your pastor. I really don’t. Your pastor did not die for you.
I love listen to teaching quite well. I have hundreds of books on my Kindle. I quote theological books on here quite often too. I want to be a student of the Word as much as you do. However, I will never make my theology a collection of great quotes from Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle and Oral Roberts. I love them but they did not die on the Cross.
I love Orals Roberts University. I remember sitting in dozens of chapel services in Christ’s Chapel. I heard some of the greatest voice of revival and Pentecost in our generation. Richard Roberts, Rodney Howard-Browne, Reinhard Bonnke, and Tommy Barnett to name a few.
I also heard some people that don’t have such great theology as well. I remember walking out of the chapel over things said by people like Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, and Fred Price. Sorry, I do not have Rolls Royce faith today, Fred.
If I took everything I heard people proclaim from the platform at chapel, I would be one confused guy. I would believe that prosperity was for be to get 4 houses and also believe that living as simple as possible was the biblical way.
My point is living by pastor’s sermon will make you one confused, crazy mess. You have to make sure you are living for Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit; not the teaching of your favorite televangelist on Trinity Broadcasting Network.
Be a Pentecostal, not a Republican
I am a Pentecostal. I am a Republican. I am not a Republican because I am a Pentecostal. One has nothing to do with the other. Jesus is not into political parties anyways.
When people try to tell me that they are o a party because God told them this or that; I see red flags coming up. You might hold your views based on your faith (as I do) but that does not mean God told you to be a member of the Republican party.
Gun Rights is a constitutional issue; it is not a biblical issue. God did not make the second amendment the 11th commandment back in 1776. I believe in the second amendment because it is right and it is what our Founding Fathers envision; not what Jesus said.
When Christians make constitutional rights into biblical issues, all we do is look stupid to the liberals. Stand for what you believe and that can be an expression of your faith but it is not your faith directly.
When we mix them up, we look brainwashed, and only make Barack Obama look right about clinging to the bible and guns.
Being a Pentecostal does not mean we throw out logic and reasoning. Part of worship is with all your mind. That means you engage people with logic.
Pentecostals need to learn how to think.
Did I say that? I did. Paul told us to be ready to give reason for hope that lives within us. “The Bible says so” is not reasoning either. If we want to be effective in witnessing, we better rethink how we come across and quit being brainwashed by preachers.
We need to learn how to think, not what to think.
That means we have to start thinking about how to engage people on a mental level, not just a spiritual level. This is why I think a required reading of every bible school student should be Evidence that demands a verdict by Josh McDowell and Why Jesus? by Ravi Zacharias. They might be boring but they would do us a great service.
Being able to engage people with knowledge, not just words of knowledge will only make us more effective in our witness to a world around us that is growing to be more liberal and believe in atheism. “God said” is not going to cut it any more. Not in the 21st century. The Post-modern world is here.
Having knowledge on many subjects will only make us better Pentecostals. As a computer programmer, student of history, and former boxer; I have a much more well rounded approach to be a witness. Knowing the twisted world of boxing, I can do more than tell them they are going to hell. I can relate to them and reach to them with the power of the Holy Spirit.
I have been where they have been. I know the corruption in the boxing sense. I know about the partying, the drugs, the drinking, the womanizing. I know what exactly they think about Christians. As a result, I know how to engage them and bring them to the foot of the Cross.
Please, don’t be brainwashed but be blood washed!
Thinking of going to IHOP University at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City? You might want to do some more research. There are some major challenges to the school that are hidden on the websites and some of them are not even mentioned.
I went to the school when it was the Forerunner School of Prayer. It was more of a prayer focused version of the Berean School of the Bible back then. Most of the teaching was by Mike Bickle, Kevin Matthews, and a little by Graham Walsh. It was great and focused on revival. However, it was not legit education.
Before we go any futhur any into this, I want to say I have the deepest respect for Allen Hood and Mike Bickle. Allen is a solid guy and was always there when I had a question. I thought the world of him. He also knew how to let education be inferior to the move of the Spirit. Something most people with a seminar degree just can’t do.
With that said, I strongly suggest you re-think going to IHOP University.
IHOP University has a history of cancelling class
Around the House of Prayer, they tend to let a few people; Mike Bickle, Julie Meyers, Misty Edwards and a few others make the schedule for the school. What do I mean by that? They will call classes off for a month because someone had a prophetic dream that if they have a fast and do not but contend in prayer; breakthrough will come.
Instead of being in class, students are expected to be in the prayer room contending for whatever Misty, Julie or Mike thinks needs to be contended for. This is great in a ministry context but this is hardly serious academia research.
There is no library to speak of on campus. Nothing anywhere close to the ORU library, William G. Squires Library at Lee University, or Cordas C. Burnett Library at Assemblies of God Theological Seminary.
IHOP University is more of a pay to pray thing than it is a real academic research type of thing.
IHOP University gives you useless degrees
I do not know why they will not seek some type of accreditation
This is straight from the website of IHOPU
IHOPU is not presently pursuing accreditation. However, the values represented by accreditation (particularly academic excellence and relationship with other theological institutions) are very important to IHOPU. For this reason, IHOPU is not opposed to pursuing accreditation in the future if it can be done without compromising our vision and core values, and if it actively builds relationships with theological institutions to transfer credits.
I know for sure that in the last 14 years they have not made one step towards getting any accreditation in any way. I do not think they will in the next 14 years either. This is a problem because all you get is a paper than no one will honor and you can forget higher education.
One reason I believe they don’t want it is many of the “professors” are not qualified to even teach their own subjects. Many of them do not have legit bible training.
Realize you will graduate without any degree that mean anything in the real world and will have no marketable skills.
Need financial freedom? Not at IHOP University
According to their website, your tuition as a freshman is $2,275 per semester, zero help from the school and you are not allow to work. Either you have upper middle class parents, your church paying, or you will struggle. I could not have done it at 19 years old, that is for sure. My parents are Gates, Buffet, or Waltons.
What is could cause is a bunch of William Seymour that sit in the hallway hoping to hear the class and get what he could. In that case, it was race; in this case, would be economical class.
You also have to consider that this does not include housing or food. Throw around $4,000 a year into the mix and you are looking around $10,000 with no help, no job and no chance to do anything with your degree.
In reality, for most this will spell trouble for many students at IHOP University.
What options are there besides IHOP University
My suggestion is find either a real bible school that works for what you want to do, what you can afford and give you the tools to move forward or look at a training school such as Youth With A Mission, Iris Ministries (Heidi Baker) or a short term school in Toronto or Bethel Redding.
If you have the resources, Oral Roberts University is a great school to be train in and you will get real experience for ministry. I have never been a student here but I hear great things about Elim Bible Institute as well.
I left bible school (Central Bible College in Springfield, Missouri) and finished through Global University. It is not cheap but you can do one class at a time and work your way through it. They are full accredited as well.
Master’s Commission is another amazing opportunity to get training. For less than IHOP University, you could be trained in the middle of a move of God at the Dream Center Leadership School that includes room and board. Theology and practical ministry married together.
Are you called to the mission field? Harvest School in Mozambique is another option that you have. In the midst of world missions, you learn on the job from some of the best missionaries that are alive today. You can do it for about half what IHOP University wants as well.
Am I telling you not to go to IHOPU?
Not at all. I am telling you to get all the facts before going. There is alot of things on the website that are not full truths and half-truths is what sets you up for failure in life. I just want people to make an informed decision about what path is best for them in the quest for biblical education and getting to the ministry.
I hope this helps.