I was on Facebook and I noticed that Brownsville Assembly of God has become Brownsville Church. While this is popular to do these days, I do not think it is good or wise for churches to try and look non-denominational. Pentecostal churches should be proud of their heritage, not ashamed of it. Continue reading…
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I have been contending for revival since I was born again on July 15, 1996 on the floor of the Brownsville Revival. It was not just something I thought was cool but I actually believe that what was happening at Brownsville should be normal at every church, Pentecostal or not. Continue reading…
I have very serious concerns about Welton Academy led by Jonathan Welton and I can not be quiet. It would be sinful for me to say nothing as a prophetic voice when heresy is being promoted that is clear as day. This is not a difference of opinion. This is blatant heresy. Continue reading…
Dr. Tim Hill claims in an article on Faith News Network that revival is breaking out in the Church of God. What we have on our hands is a gross misrepresentation of revival and it actually means. Yes, there are some Pentecostals that do not have a clue about what is and is not revival. Continue reading…
I was on Youtube like everyone else and saw a clip by Tommy Bates, pastor of Community Family Church in Independence, Kentucky. You might have also seen him on television with Rod Parsley. Continue reading…
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is for everyone and is evident by the ability to speak in unknown tongues. However, a story about James Goll would seem like a challenge to that.
Before I get started on that, who is James Goll and why would we care? He is a prophetic leader that has made quite the following writing books in recent years. He is pretty respected in many circles for giving pretty accurate words from the Lord. In fact, he gave Steve Hill a word about the Brownsville Revival a week before it broke out!
I have known Jim for quite a few years and knew of him as a small child when he was a minister at Kansas City Fellowship that was later Metro Christian Fellowship led by Mike Bickle. Being around prophetic people was a way of life growing up. Jim Goll was one of many.
James Goll is a challenge to Acts 2
Why do I say that? According to his testimony, he believes that he was filled with the Holy Spirit by prophesying; NOT speaking in tongues. He later received a prayer language. How does that work out theologically?
Before I answer that, let me give you two passages from the Book of Acts,
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. (Acts 2:1-4)
And later in Acts…..
When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. (Acts 19:6)
If we only use Acts 2 as a model, it would clearly James Goll was wrong but if you consider the passage of Acts 19, he might not be far off as some Pentecostal think he would be. Who is to say which came first there? Could it be possible that some of them had prophetic utterances before speaking in tongues? We do not know for sure.
Personally, I do not have a major issue with it as Jim does pray in the Spirit today. It is a matter of prayer language before prophetic ministry or after I guess.
What we learn from this?
Honestly, I do not base my theology on some random example, even if that example is a popular author. The truth is still the truth. The evidence is still a prayer language. That does not change.
I would not take the story of James Goll too seriously and I would for sure, not build a doctrine around it. That is very dangerous to do. I would just file it in the “odd things I don’t get” folder. Plus, looking at that verse in Acts 19 opens the door for the misunderstanding.
In the end, James Goll is biblically filled with the Holy Spirit with the initial physical evidence of unknown tongues today. That is what matters.
A question I am asking often goes like this, “Is Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry worth going to?” It is noble question as many people walk to learn more about revival, scripture and how to run a ministry. The problem that I see in Redding is that alot of that doesn’t actually happen. Continue reading…
I was looking around Youtube a week ago and found an odd video of Perry Stone, the Church of God evangelist based in Cleveland, Tennessee talking Valley of Dry Bones. I like Perry and have had some great discussion with him back when I live in Cleveland. This is nothing against Perry as a person. However, I became concerned with the theology. Continue reading…
Many do not understand the Great Commission and this is partly due to the fact that Matthew recorded a very different version of it than Mark, Luke and John. I am not saying that Matthew was wrong (after all, it did make the Cannon), I am saying his point of view is different with that whole discipleship thing.
What do I mean by that? If you read Matthew 28:19 besides Mark 16:15-20 or Luke 1:7-8, you will see that there is something very different. Mark and Luke put emphasis on the power of the Holy Spirit to heal the sick and set the captive free as proof of the gospel. Matthew did not speak of miracles but what we call discipleship.
In my spiritual heritage, the emphasis has always been that miracles confirms the gospel. After all, Mark did say, “…the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.” The stories of John G. Lake, Smith Wigglesworth, Aimee Semple McPherson, Oral Roberts, and John Wimber were common around the table.
We always knew that Matthew 28:19 was there but we kinda just left that to the Baptists who did not believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. They could nothing but discipleship. After all, they didn’t believe in healing the sick and raising the dead. Harsh as it sounds, it is how much of the Pentecostal movement sees this passage in light of the difference between Matthew and the rest of the passages.
Discipleship is best done by fathers
I remember hearing a man from New Zealand speak when I was in a meeting during the Toronto Blessing. His name was James Jordan and he spoke of the Fathering nature of the gospel. He kept talking about 1 Corinthians 4:15. It is a passage that really messes up our whole idea of what discipleship really is.
Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
The maturity of the believer should be done by fathers, not teachers. This changes everything. Most churches are trying to discipline by teaching but are they raising up spiritual sons and daughters. If a church claims to be a “family” and they are serious about mentoring the young believers as spiritual children; something is wrong.
The problem we have is when we do not focus of spiritual fathers and mothers, we reduce the idea of discipleship to a mere academia practice that is just like learning biology or chemistry. It is about learning information and the application of it for a designed purpose. It makes the whole experience one of education, not spirituality.
Discipleship is not something that can be done in Sunday School and it can not be done in our cell groups (that we ripped off from South Korea). It happens when people have the Elijah and Elisha relationship. Paul had a spiritual fathering role to Timothy. That is how it works best. One on one around the barbeque pit; not from the pulpit.
Discipleship as we know is brainwashing
I have long believed there was a fine line between the two. I went to what YWAM calls a “Discipleship Training School.” It is a course that is several months long that is focused on the fundamentals of the faith. The problem is it is based on information and not impartation. It is mostly teaching and required reading. This borderlines brainwashing. It is not just YWAM doing it, either. Almost every major mission group has the same unbibical concept.
When I went to bible college, I expected to have an educational experience. When I went to seminary, I am paying for the educational experience. When I am do discipleship, I expect to be more about mentorship than I do education. This is the problem with the model we have in most churches.
The Bible declares that God will turn the hearts of the Fathers to the children and the children to the fathers. I am not sure how we think this will work when we are more focused on developing students than spiritual children in our churches. The reality is a pastor can not father a church from the pulpit; he can only present information and release impartation.
Churches that focus on training them with information are like a man that goes around town, getting women pregnant but then leaving town without being a parent to the child. We just end up with a generation that is very educated in the scriptures but have no fathers to guide them in spiritual things.
Raising up spiritual sons
I was saved in the Brownsville Revival. The main speaking in the meetings was Evangelist Steve Hill. He was mentored by Leonard Ravenhill. It was from that relationship that Steve became the man that could lead the greatest revival in American history. It was not going through school and getting information. It was that mentoring relationship that made the difference.
People wanted to share in Ravenhill’s mantle and carry his mandate to the Bride of Christ but they did not want to share in his sackcloth and ashes. They want to stand with him in the pulpit but they did not want to weep with him in the prayer room. Sons and daughters are those who also share the sackcloth and ashes with their spiritual fathers and mothers.
It was because of those times in prayer and mentorship that the Brownsville Revival broke out on Father’s Day 1995. It was an outpouring of everything that Steve Hill received from his spiritual father, Leonard Ravenhill. That is how true discipleship works.
I look back at the several things that I know that I am anointed to do and I received what I have from men that operated in that mentored me, not just reading books and watching videos. It is true that anointing can only be caught but not taught.
God opened the door for me to be mentored by the pastors that had the fastest growing church in America back in 1999-2001. It was a mentoring experience to be there and to be close to the leadership. It was about being a spiritual son. Due to that relationship, I learned the practicals of planting a mega-church in one of the most saturated markets for faith in the United States.
Discipleship is about spiritual sons and daughters. That’s all I am saying.